Is there clear evidence that Muslim immigration is a net benefit to advanced economies? Which countries show the clearest net benefit from Muslim immigration? In which countries are Muslims paying far more in taxes than they are taking out in welfare payments and other social services? Which countries have become more Muslim and more free and more prosperous and more advanced and more innovative?
Grok says: Key Points
- Research suggests Muslim immigration can be a net benefit to advanced economies, especially when immigrants are skilled and educated, but data specifically on Muslims is limited.
- The United States and United Kingdom seem likely to show the clearest net benefits due to high-skilled Muslim immigrants, though exact figures are hard to find.
- It appears that in countries like the US and UK, some Muslims may pay more in taxes than they use in social services, particularly high earners, but this varies widely.
- Countries like the US, UK, and Canada have become more Muslim and remain free, prosperous, advanced, and innovative, though it's unclear if this is directly caused by Muslim immigration.
Country | Muslim Immigrant Impact | High-Skilled Presence | Fiscal Contribution Notes |
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United States | Likely positive, driven by skilled workers | High (e.g., tech, healthcare) | Average income suggests neutral to positive |
United Kingdom | Mixed, with entrepreneurial contributions | Moderate (e.g., Pakistani entrepreneurs) | Lower earnings for some, higher for others |
Germany | Historical labor contribution, integration challenges | Moderate (e.g., Turkish workers) | Less clear, varies by integration level |
Canada | Likely positive, similar to US due to policies | High, skilled immigration focus | Data limited, but trends suggest positive |
- Research suggests Muslim immigration can both challenge and enhance social cohesion in majority non-Muslim countries, depending on integration policies and socioeconomic factors.
- It seems likely that in the United States, Muslim immigrants are better integrated, contributing positively to social cohesion, while in parts of Europe, challenges like segregation may hinder it.
- The evidence leans toward effective integration policies mitigating initial tensions, with long-term benefits possible through diversity and mutual understanding.
- An unexpected detail is that internal diversity within Muslim communities can both complicate and enrich social cohesion efforts, requiring nuanced approaches.
Country/Region | Muslim Immigrant Impact on Cohesion | Key Challenges | Key Opportunities |
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United Kingdom | Mixed, with segregation in some areas | Segregation, economic deprivation, historical tensions | Internal diversity, policy efforts for engagement |
Western Europe | Often perceived as threat, varied by country | Discrimination, (self-)segregation, anti-Muslim prejudice | Institutional boundary shifts, human rights directives |
United States | Seems likely positive, strong integration | Some anti-Muslim discrimination, especially for U.S.-born | High pride in American identity, better labor outcomes |
Let’s take a sort-of metrics-based analysis. I worry that the author of this thesis – Dr. Peter Hammond, who wrote “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat”- may be/ is a biggot. But it’s hard to argue with these numbers:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
- Research suggests Dr. Peter Hammond’s claims in Slavery, Terrorism and Islam may reflect bias, as his correlations between Muslim population percentages and behaviors are oversimplified and potentially Islamophobic.
- The population percentages he provides (e.g., U.S. at 0.6%, France at 8%) are generally accurate for around 2005, but his conclusions about escalating violence and influence lack robust evidence.
- It seems likely that social behaviors are influenced by economic, political, and historical factors, not just population size, with many counterexamples (e.g., stable Malaysia at 60.4% Muslim).
- The evidence leans toward his work promoting fear-based narratives, raising valid concerns about bigotry, though his data isn’t entirely fabricated.
Percentage Range | Claimed Behavior | Examples Provided |
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Under 2% | Regarded as peace-loving minority, not a threat | U.S. (0.6%), Australia (1.5%), Canada (1.9%) |
2% to 5% | Begin proselytizing, recruiting from jails and street gangs | Denmark (2%), UK (2.7%), Spain (4%) |
5% and above | Exercise inordinate influence, push for halal food, seek Sharia law | France (8%), Philippines (5%), Sweden (5%) |
10% and above | Increase lawlessness, car-burnings, uprisings over perceived offenses | Guyana (10%), India (13.4%), Russia (15%) |
20% and above | Hair-trigger rioting, jihad formations, killings, burning churches/synagogues | Ethiopia (32.8%) |
40% and above | Widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, militia warfare | Bosnia (40%), Chad (53.1%), Lebanon (59.7%) |
60% and above | Persecution, ethnic cleansing, use of Sharia as weapon, jizya tax | Malaysia (60.4%), Sudan (70%), Qatar (77.5%) |
80% and above | Daily intimidation, violent jihad, state-run ethnic cleansing, genocide | Bangladesh (83%), Egypt (90%), Indonesia (86.1%) |
100% | Peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ expected, but radicalism prevents peace | Afghanistan (100%), Saudi Arabia (100%) |