Tuesday, April 15, 2025

I Hated The January 6 Riots

I hated Donald Trump's discrediting of the 2020 election results. I hated the January 6 riots. I hate violent disruptive illegal riots of all kinds. On a tactical level, however, I have a question. Why should the right cede to the left the intimidation factor that comes with violent illegal disruptive rioting? I can't think of any right-wing equivalents to the Weather Underground, the anarchists, BLM and antifa? Why should the right cede to the left the power that comes with street protest and violence? Knowing that you could get punched in the face if you act out often confers wisdom.

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Key Points
  • Research suggests the right does not fully cede the "intimidation factor" to the left, as groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers have engaged in violent protests, such as the January 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.
  • It seems likely that mainstream right-wing groups avoid violent tactics due to ideological emphasis on law and order, preferring legal and political strategies instead.
  • The evidence leans toward violent protests being counterproductive, potentially losing public support and facing legal consequences, which may deter the right from adopting such tactics.
Direct Answer
The right does not entirely give up the "intimidation factor" associated with violent protests, as there are right-wing groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers that have been involved in violent actions, such as the January 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection (Countering organized violence in the United States). However, these groups are often on the fringes and not representative of mainstream conservative politics. Mainstream right-wing perspectives tend to reject violent protest tactics, focusing instead on law and order and preferring strategies like lobbying, voting, or legal challenges, which align with their principles.
Research suggests that adopting violent tactics could backfire, as studies show that the public often reacts negatively to violence, potentially reducing support for the cause (How violent protest can backfire). This, along with the risk of legal repercussions, may explain why the right generally avoids such methods. While the left, with groups like Antifa and BLM, may appear more associated with violent protests due to media coverage, the right has its own examples, though less visible in mainstream narratives. Given these considerations, it seems unlikely that the right should adopt violent tactics, as they may undermine their goals and public image.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Right-Wing and Left-Wing Protest Tactics
This note provides a comprehensive examination of the user's query regarding why the right should not cede the "intimidation factor" of violent, illegal, and disruptive rioting to the left, and whether the right should adopt similar tactics. It explores historical and contemporary examples, ideological differences, strategic considerations, and the potential consequences of violent protest tactics, drawing on a range of sources to ensure a thorough analysis.
Historical and Contemporary Context
The user's query references left-wing groups such as the Weather Underground, anarchists, Black Lives Matter (BLM), and Antifa, which have been associated with protests that sometimes turn violent. The Weather Underground, active in the 1960s and 1970s, was a far-left militant organization known for bombings and other violent acts (Fact Check: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?). BLM and Antifa, more contemporary, have been linked to protests, some of which escalated into violence, particularly during events like the George Floyd protests in 2020 (Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa).
On the right, there are equivalents, though perhaps less visible in public perception. Groups like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Boogaloo Bois have engaged in violent protests. The January 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection saw the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers playing leading roles, with authorities arresting individuals from these groups for their alleged involvement (Countering organized violence in the United States). The Boogaloo Bois, a far-right extremist movement, have been charged with plotting violence at protests, including bringing explosives and killing a security officer (Boogaloo and other far-right extremists use violence to try to inflame protests). Additionally, groups like Patriot Prayer and Three Percenters were involved in violent confrontations, such as in Portland, Oregon, where a member of Patriot Prayer was shot dead during a protest (Demonstrations and Political Violence in America: New Data for Summer 2020).
Data from 2020 shows over 2,100 right-wing demonstrations, with about 100 classified as riots, indicating that while not as frequent as left-wing violent protests in media coverage, right-wing violence is not absent (When the right wing rallies). This suggests that the perception of the left having a monopoly on violent tactics may be influenced by media focus rather than a complete absence on the right.
Ideological and Strategic Differences
The right's reluctance to engage in violent protests as frequently as the left can be attributed to ideological differences. Right-wing ideologies often emphasize law and order, tradition, and stability, which may make illegal and disruptive tactics less appealing (Comparative Analysis of Violent Left-and Right-Wing Extremist Groups in the United States). In contrast, left-wing groups like Antifa, with anti-establishment and anti-authoritarian views, may be more inclined to use confrontational tactics (Four Extremist Groups Suspected of Involvement in Protest Violence).
Strategically, right-wing groups may prefer other forms of political action, such as lobbying, voting, or legal challenges, which they perceive as more effective or legitimate. For instance, right-wing protests in 2017-2022 focused on issues like abortion and gun rights, often through marches and rallies protected under the First Amendment, rather than violence (Right-Wing Protest in the United States, 2017 to 2022). This contrasts with left-wing groups, which may leverage decentralized and autonomous structures, allowing for spontaneous violent actions, as seen with Antifa (Fact Check: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?).
Demographic factors also play a role. Some analyses suggest right-wing protesters tend to be older and more established, potentially less inclined to engage in violent or confrontational tactics, while left-wing protesters may be younger and more willing to take risks (Why are left-wing protests so much more active, vocal, and often violent compared to the small (or non-existent) right-wing protests that we see?).
Consequences and Public Reaction
Engaging in violent protests carries significant consequences, which may deter right-wing groups. Legal repercussions are a major concern, with arrests and charges following events like January 6, where dozens of Proud Boys members and affiliates were indicted (Right-wing terrorism). Loss of public support is another risk, as studies show that when protest groups turn violent, the public may perceive them as less reasonable, leading to reduced identification and support (How violent protest can backfire). This is particularly relevant for the right, given their emphasis on maintaining a law-abiding image.
Media coverage also influences public perception. Left-wing protests, especially those involving BLM and Antifa, often receive more attention, which may amplify the perception of their dominance in violent tactics (AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals). However, right-wing violence, while less highlighted, has been more lethal in some cases, with right-wing extremists responsible for more deaths in the post-9/11 era compared to left-wing violence (A comparison of political violence by left-wing, right-wing, and Islamist extremists in the United States and the world).
Should the Right Adopt Violent Tactics?
The user's query implies a strategic consideration: whether the right should adopt violent tactics to counterbalance the left's perceived advantage. However, the evidence leans toward such tactics being counterproductive. A study by Stanford sociologist Robb Willer found that violent protests can backfire, reducing public support for the cause, as people react negatively to violence (How violent protest can backfire). This is particularly risky for the right, given their ideological alignment with law and order, which could be undermined by adopting illegal tactics.
Moreover, the right's mainstream groups may calculate that the costs, including legal repercussions and loss of public support, outweigh any potential benefits. For example, the January 6 insurrection led to widespread condemnation and legal actions against participants, highlighting the risks (Countering organized violence in the United States). Instead, right-wing groups may find more success through non-violent means, such as grassroots organizing, political campaigns, or legal advocacy, which align better with their principles and public image (Critical Differences in Protesting Between Liberals and Conservatives. Here’s Why).
Comparative Analysis: Left vs. Right Violence
To further illustrate, consider the following table comparing characteristics of left-wing and right-wing violent protest tactics:
Aspect
Left-Wing Groups (e.g., Antifa, BLM)
Right-Wing Groups (e.g., Proud Boys, Oath Keepers)
Ideology
Anti-establishment, anti-authoritarian, social justice
Law and order, nationalism, anti-government (fringe)
Organizational Structure
Decentralized, autonomous, spontaneous actions
More formal, sometimes integrated into mainstream politics
Frequency of Violence
Higher media visibility, often spontaneous escalation
Less frequent, more planned (e.g., January 6)
Public Perception
Mixed, often criticized but supported by some for causes
Generally condemned, seen as extremist
Legal Consequences
Arrests and charges, but decentralized nature limits impact
Significant arrests, especially post-January 6
Effectiveness
Can mobilize, but risks backfiring on public support
High risk of backlash, less effective for mainstream goals
This table highlights that while both sides have groups engaging in violence, the right's mainstream approach tends to avoid such tactics due to ideological and strategic considerations.
Conclusion
In conclusion, the right does not entirely cede the "intimidation factor" to the left, as there are right-wing groups that engage in violent protests, though often on the fringes. Mainstream right-wing perspectives reject violent tactics, preferring legal and political strategies that align with their emphasis on law and order. Adopting violent tactics could be counterproductive, risking public support and legal consequences, and is inconsistent with their ideological principles. Given these factors, it seems unlikely that the right should adopt violent protest tactics, as non-violent strategies are likely more effective for achieving their goals.

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